UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON AT TACOMA

CHERYL LINDSEY SEELHOFF, a married woman, Plaintiff, Tacoma, Washington vs. PAT and SUE WELCH, husband and wife, Defendants.

Docket No. C97-5383FDB Tacoma, Washington September 1, 1998 Trial Volume 2

TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE HONORABLE FRANKLIN D. BURGESS UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE, and a Jury.

APPEARANCES: For the Plaintiff:	BARBARA J. DUFFY GWENDOLYN PAYTON KLEIN Lane Powell Spears Lubersky 1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 4100 Seattle, Washington 98101-2338
For the Defendants:	RUDY R. LACHENMEIER LORI DeDOBBELAERE Lachenmeier, Enloe & Rall 9600 S.W. Capitol Highway Portland, Oregon 97219
Court Reporter:	Teri Hendrix Union Station Courthouse, Room 3100 1717 Pacific Avenue Tacoma, Washington 98402 (253) 593-6545

Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript produced by Reporter on computer.

Excerpt from transcripts Volume 2 September 1, 1998 Pages 210-445


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1  husband; is that correct?
2  A.  That's correct.
3  Q.  Your wife was present during that conversation; right?
4  A.  That's right.
5  Q.  And that's because at Calvary Tacoma you have a policy that
6  the pastor's wife should be present any time the pastor gives
7  counsel to a female member; isn't that right?
8  A.  That's right.
9  Q.  So that's the reason she was there?
10  A.  Yes.
11   Q.  Now, during that conversation when Cheryl confessed to you
12   that she was involved with another man, she told you that she
13   was scared how Claude would react to this and she was scared
14   that he might become violent; isn't that correct?
15   A.  That's correct.
16   Q.  You understood from Cheryl that it was very important, and
17   that she had the understanding that that conversation would be
18   confidential; is that right?
19   A.  It was confidential.
20   Q.  And you had the understanding that Cheryl expected it to be
21   confidential; is that right?
22   A.  She never said to keep it confidential, but I didn't tell
23  anyone to my knowledge.
24   Q.  So your testimony here today is that you never told Cheryl
25   that it was confidential?

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1  A.  I basically listened to what Cheryl had to say. I don't
2  remember Cheryl telling me, Joe, keep this confidential, or
3  whether she didn't tell me to keep it confidential.
4  I just don't remember her even saying anything to that
5  effect.
6  Q.  Do you remember giving a deposition in this matter?
7  A.  Yes.
8  Q.  And a deposition is a time when you answer questions; isn't
9  that right?
10  A.  That's right.
11  Q.  And those questions were posed to you by Ms. Duffy, here
12  beside me; is that right?
13  A.  That's right.
14  Q.  At the time you gave those deposition answers you were sworn
15  under oath to tell the truth like you are today?
16  A.  That's right.
17      MS. KLEIN: I would like to move to publish the
18  deposition of Joe Williams.
19      THE COURT: All right.
20      MS. KLEIN: Volume 1.
21      THE CLERK: Is there more than one volume, counsel?
22      MS. DUFFY: No, there isn't.
23      THE CLERK: Which dates? It appears there are two
24  deposition dates for Mr. Williams.
25  MS. KLEIN: The date would be January 9, 1998.