UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON
AT TACOMA
CHERYL LINDSEY SEELHOFF,
a married woman,
Plaintiff, Tacoma, Washington
vs.
PAT and SUE WELCH,
husband and wife,
Defendants.
Docket No. C97-5383FDB
Tacoma, Washington
September 2, 1998
Trial
Volume 3
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
BEFORE THE HONORABLE FRANKLIN D. BURGESS
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE, and a Jury.
APPEARANCES:
For the Plaintiff:
BARBARA J. DUFFY
GWENDOLYN PAYTON KLEIN
Lane Powell Spears Lubersky
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 4100
Seattle, Washington 98101-2338
For the Defendants:
RUDY R. LACHENMEIER
LORI DeDOBBELAERE
Lachenmeier, Enloe & Rall
9600 S.W. Capitol Highway
Portland, Oregon 97219
Court Reporter: Teri Hendrix
Union Station Courthouse, Room 3100
1717 Pacific Avenue
Tacoma, Washington 98402
(253) 593-6545
Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript
produced by Reporter on computer.
Excerpt from transcripts Volume 3, September 2, 1998 Pages 446-683
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4841 Q. Did you tell them anything about yourself?
2 A. I don't recall that I did. I don't recall that I did.
3 Q. When you talked to Joe and Irene, I think you told me you
4 had the impression they knew who you were?
5 A. That's correct.
6 Q. How did you develop that impression?
7 A. I sensed when I called them, from my recollection, that they
8 knew my name, knew my association with CHEO. I did not know at
9 the time -- I mean, I knew they were Cheryl's pastor. I just
10 did not know that my name had come up in the course of their
11 discussions with others, as I've since learned that it has.
12 Q. Why did you call Claude?
13 A. I'm dealing with what I consider a hearsay information. I
14 established it was factual, that Joe and Irene's church was
15 leaning toward a matter of church discipline. They were then
16 making allegations with regard to Claude and/or Cheryl, and I
17 wanted to go to the next level and determine from Claude, is it
18 true you're in Louisiana, is it true that Cheryl has filed for
19 divorce, that you have been served? Again, so I wanted to take
20 it to the next level to affirm the facts to differentiate from
21 hearsay information to factual information.
22 Q. Why was that important to you to get the facts?
23 A. We were facing a situation, we were going to have to make a
24 decision as an organization of whether or not we were going to
25 be selling tapes of Cheryl Lindsey's workshops. We made
4851 substantial money off of these tapes. And if termed that these
2 matters were truthful, the board was going to have to make a
3 decision whether or not to proceed with the selling and the
4 offering of these tapes to our members and those who requested
5 them. And I wanted to obtain facts before going to the Board of
6 Directors and making a determination as to how we would
7 proceed.
8 Q. Okay. You mentioned earlier that you might have your wife
9 on the phone for conversations that involve some issues that are
10 sensitive or some issues of sensitivity, do you recall that?
11 A. Yes, I do.
12 Q. What did you mean by that?
13 A. If I'm going to be talking to a lady who is allegedly having
14 an affair with a gentleman and discussing anything with regard
15 to sexual relations, I want to have a witness there. And in my
16 opinion the best witness would be my wife in the event
17 allegations would be brought forth against me of asking
18 questions that would not be proper of a man to ask a lady.
19 Q. And you considered this whole topic of an extramarital
20 relationship to be a sensitive topic, is that fair?
21 A. No -- to be sensitive to me and my relationship with my
22 wife. I didn't address it anything further than that. But for
23 me to discuss another lady's sexual relations was sensitive to
24 my relationship with my wife.
25 Q. In your mind would there have been any questions that would
Excerpt from transcripts Volume 3, September 2, 1998 Pages 446-683
How to use these documents.
A complete copy of the transcript are availble on an independent web site.
http://members.aol.com/Hsingcase/index.html
(Link provide by permission)
Documents can be ordered by writing to:
US District Court
Western District of Washington
P.O. Box 1935
Tacoma, Washington 98401